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multipurposegoddess ...before I go read what everyone else has said. I've only read a little of the post-show SPN thread on b.org, nothing else, but I am SHOCKED at people saying that Chuck was God. What? Why? I don't even understand why anyone would think that enough to argue against it in a coherent manner.
Second, the whole question of Free Will. Now, our boys were on Team Free Will, but, honestly, I'm not sure how much I believe in it in the real world, much less on TV. I think what we have control over is not necessarily what we do, those choices may be made for us by unimaginable forces or biology or fate or whatever, I don't know, but what we can control is how we justify those "choices", what stories we tell ourselves about what we've done. Sam said yes to Lucifer, but he did so for the best reasons. He jumped into the hole because his will + Impala homeness is just that strng, or becuase Chuck wrote it that way, or because that was his destiny all along, but that he intended and wanted to jump is what's important. Dean going to LIsa because Sam told him to, on the other hand, a worl of wrong because he's doing it for the promise, not for himself and LIsa. The story he tells himself is not "at last, a happy home for Dean" it's "I have to make this work for Sam's memory" so it's a sad story rather than joyful.
Third, I'm always a little taken aback when anyone mentions how much Bobby and the boys drink. It's never pinged me as an unusual amount. Which seems odd to me, as usually I notice things like that - Nate's drinking on Leverage jumped out at me early in the first season, several episodes before there was any dialogue about it. Weird.
That's it. Nothing deep.
Second, the whole question of Free Will. Now, our boys were on Team Free Will, but, honestly, I'm not sure how much I believe in it in the real world, much less on TV. I think what we have control over is not necessarily what we do, those choices may be made for us by unimaginable forces or biology or fate or whatever, I don't know, but what we can control is how we justify those "choices", what stories we tell ourselves about what we've done. Sam said yes to Lucifer, but he did so for the best reasons. He jumped into the hole because his will + Impala homeness is just that strng, or becuase Chuck wrote it that way, or because that was his destiny all along, but that he intended and wanted to jump is what's important. Dean going to LIsa because Sam told him to, on the other hand, a worl of wrong because he's doing it for the promise, not for himself and LIsa. The story he tells himself is not "at last, a happy home for Dean" it's "I have to make this work for Sam's memory" so it's a sad story rather than joyful.
Third, I'm always a little taken aback when anyone mentions how much Bobby and the boys drink. It's never pinged me as an unusual amount. Which seems odd to me, as usually I notice things like that - Nate's drinking on Leverage jumped out at me early in the first season, several episodes before there was any dialogue about it. Weird.
That's it. Nothing deep.
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Date: 2010-05-18 01:46 am (UTC)The sudden conversion, Chuck in a bright white starched shirt, the tone, the sparkly disappearance. The idea that Kripke would *totally* go there. It's what I thought of first. Since then I have since entertained thoughts of Jesus and prophets being assumed to heaven, but I think God is simplest based on that one ep, even if the rest of the characterisation doesn't support it.
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Date: 2010-05-18 02:08 am (UTC)And, honestly, even if that's fully what they intended? I refuse. Just, no. Chuck can be transported bodily without having to die to dwell with the saints for his service as a prophet, or some sort of apocalyptic figure who didn't need to exist anymore with Armageddon not happening, but he can't be God. Not in my head. I'm afraid I'm not going to be swayed by facts or evidence in this case.
More because he was a prophet than anything particular to his character. A conduit of God's word. For the conduit to be the God is . . . cheating. Breaking some sort of covenant. I don't know, I don't like it.